I
was on the bus which the
former Prime Minister
Atal Behari Vajpayee took
to Lahore to lead a delegation
of artists, writers and
journalists in 1999. He
was responding to an invitation
by Prime Minister Nawaz
Sharif. As we approached
the border, Mr. Vajpayee
called me and showed a
message saying that some
25 Hindus had been killed
by terrorists in the Jammu
district. He was visibly
shaken and wondered whether
it was worth his while
to make the trip. I told
him that such incidents
indicated how desperate
certain forces were to
sabotage the efforts to
reduce the distance between
the two countries. He
still was not sure how
the hardliners in India
would react, particularly
those in his own party,
the Bharatiya Janata Party
(BJP). Yet Mr. Vajpayee
did not waver. He had
realised that there was
no option to negotiations.
That was the reason why
Vajpayee picked up the
thread with President
General Pervez Musharraf,
knowing well that the
latter had sabotaged the
Lahore Declaration through
hostilities at Kargil.
Apparently,
the talks at Lahore
were taking a concrete
shape because an acceptable
formula seemed emerging
from the unofficial
channel the two countries
had established. When
Nawaz Sharif was ousted
in a military coup,
Vajpayee told me: ‘We
were almost there’.
He never disclosed the
contents of the formula.
But he did say: ‘He
(Nawaz Sharif) went
because of us.’
I still do not know
the formula. Even Nawaz
Sharif whom I met at
Jeddah a few months
ago did not spell it
out. With Vajpayee’s
exit, the scene has
changed. Things have
become a bit difficult.
One, no one in the ruling
Congress party has the
type of equation which
he had come to develop
with President Musharraf
and two, what Vajpayee
could have sold to his
Hindu nationalist party,
the BJP, Prime Minister
Manmohan Singh might
not be able to. However,
he has one advantage:
the BJP cannot go back
to its original intractable
position. Vajpayee may
support a ‘reasonable’
solution. But his stock
within the party has
gone down after its
defeat at the polls
and he may not be able
to push through what
is Pakistan’s
minimum. However, his
commitment to a settlement
with Pakistan is so
strong that he will
make his party agree
to back the Congress
formula.
The
BJP’s concurrence
to any solution is necessary
because it represents
those fanatical Hindus
who have grown up with
an anti-Muslim and anti-Pakistan
bias. The Congress has
not been ‘averse’
to rapprochement with
Pakistan. The party
has a long record of
talks, negotiations
and even wars. Its relations
with Pakistan have been
far from normal. Yet
the statement made by
Prime Minister Manmohan
Singh-that he wanted
to settle problems with
India’s neighbours,
particularly Pakistan,
indicates that New Delhi
would like to span its
distance with Islamabad.
The Congress Party’s
President Sonia Gandhi
said at her victory
rally that the Congress
was all for talks and
would continue to pursue
them. Even the party’s
foreign relations expert
Natwar Singh who has
become minister of external
affairs has pointed
out the futility of
recrimination and estrangement.
A similar remark has
been made by former
Prime Minister Narasimha
Rao-a senior Congress
leader- in reply to
a question during an
interview. He has said
that there has never
been any difference
among the political
parties on talks with
Pakistan.
The
left, a major supporter
of the coalition, has
reiterated its support
for close relations
between India and Pakistan.
Mulayam Singh’s
Samajwadi party, the
third largest in parliament,
goes even further and
advocates a SAARC economic
union. Laloo Prasad
Yadav’s Rashtriya
Janata Dal, another
ally of the Congress,
is keen to have a friendly
equation with Pakistan.
Therefore, Pakistan’s
Prime Minister Zafarullah
Khan Jamali and Foreign
Minister Khurshied Kasuri
are correct in their
assessment that all
political parties in
India are supportive
of efforts to solve
the problems facing
the two countries. Talks
have been initiated
and they will not be
stalled. What may be
different from before
is the pace of talks.
It all depends on Islamabad
which appears to be
in a hurry to solve
the Kashmir issue but
how far it is willing
to face the facts is
the question. President
Musharraf seems to want
a shot gun solution.
He has said that if
there is no movement
on Kashmir by August
or September, the entire
exercise on confidence
building measures could
be off. This may well
be part of his tactics
to put pressure on India.
Still the government
in Islamabad, dictated
by General Musharraf’s
threat, can put an end
to exchanges at different
levels and even go back
to push into India the
usual quantum of infiltration
which may recreate the
hostile atmosphere all
over again. I got confirmation
of such a possibility
when I visited Islamabad
after the SAARC Summit.
By then the joint statement
between Mr. Vajpayee
and General Musharraf
had been signed, sealed
and delivered. Pakistan’s
Foreign Office, still
showing irritation over
the scant attention
paid to it during the
preparation of the joint
statement, said that
the situation would
go back to square one
by the end of the year
‘if things did
not move on Kashmir’.
Dr. Manmohan Singh,
the new Prime Minister,
is travelling towards
conciliation with Pakistan
for the first time.
Atal Behari Vajpayee
had covered a long distance
and wanted to achieve
something during his
tenure. The Joint Statement
provides the outline,
if not the roadmap.
On the other hand, the
Congress is committed
to the Simla Agreement
which Mrs. Indira Gandhi
signed with Zulfikar
Ali Bhutto at Simla
in 1972. Although former
Congress Prime Minister
Narasimha Rao wished
better relations with
Pakistan, he could not
do so because Islamabad
was in no mood to make
up with India.
The
Congress-led government
would like to make the
Simla Agreement the
basis for further talks
without denouncing the
joint statement. The
Simla agreement has
given the two countries
a solid base. In fact,
it has survived various
tests and been able
to sustain peace between
the two countries except
the brief encounter
at Kargil. The Pakistanis,
who undoubtedly hoped
that Vajpayee would
be back, have fears
about the Sonia Gandhi-guided
government. But they
should not forget that
the agreement between
the two countries on
the Siachin Glacier
was reached during the
regime of Rajiv Gandhi,
Sonia Gandhi’s
husband. It was the
out-of-turn statement
by a Pakistani diplomat
which spoilt things.
Tthe edifice of India-Pakistan
friendship can be built
step by step. Patient,
unhurried talks may
eventually untie the
knot. Confidence Building
Measures (CBM), already
initiated, will prove
productive. They may
lead to an appropriate
framework for a settlement.
But Islamabad should
not push the process.
All this, however, depends
on Pakistan’s
military. How far is
it willing to go to
accommodate India’s
compulsions? Not only
that, how far it is
prepared for democracy
to return to Pakistan?
This would mean going
back to the barracks.
In the present state
of affairs, it will
be too good to be true
if the military vacates
the territory it has
come to occupy on the
civil side.
My
assessment, after following
India-Pakistan relations
for 50 years, is that
the use of force and
Kashmir are the two
problems which have
created bad blood between
the two countries. India
has insisted on the
renunciation of force
to sort out differences
and Pakistan on the
solution of Kashmir
before taking up anything
else. The history of
relations between the
two countries is littered
with examples where
both things have shattered
the possibilities of
becoming good neighbours.
The post-1965 war talks
at Tashkent between
Prime Minister Lal Bahadur
Shastri and President
Ayub Khan did not succeed
first. Ayub had brought
along with him at the
meeting a draft which
talked only about ‘peaceful
means’. Shastri
wanted him to say specifically
that Pakistan would
not employ violence
to solve the problems
between the two countries.
Ayub had to write in
his own hand the words,
‘without resort
to arms’, for
the agreement to be
signed. Again, at the
Murree meeting in Pakistan,
after the Bangladesh
war, Union Minister
D.P. Dhar told Aziz
Ahmed, Pakistan’s
Minister of State for
Foreign Affairs, that
New Delhi wanted ‘durable
peace’, which
would be founded on
the ‘renunciation
of conflict and confrontation’.
Islamabad’s approach
was tentative, ‘the
elimination of consequences’
not an undertaking to
give up arms. It was
the same story at Lahore,
although Nawaz Sharif
had realised by then
that peaceful methods
would bring Pakistan
more dividends than
hostilities. Whatever
the twists and turns,
Mrs. Indira Gandhi and
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto
signed an agreement
at Simla ‘to settle
their differences by
peaceful means’
This was the first time
that the principle of
bilateralism came to
be accepted. Both agreed
that they would not
associate a third party
with negotiation between
India and Pakistan.
It
is apparent that General
Musharraf had not given
up his faith in occasional
forays. That explained
his ambivalent stand
at Agra where he was
asked not to indulge
in adventures through
the army or the terrorists.
In fact, hostilities
at Kargil say more than
what a conflict normally
conveys. They prove
once more that the situation
in Pakistan is such
that the political say
is feeble and the military’s
voice loud and clear.
How can this help towards
Confidence Building
Measures? Still, two
questions need to be
answered. One, did the
army indulge in the
adventure at Kargil
because it suspected
a solution on Kashmir
without its involvement?
Two, was Kargil a consequence
of collusion between
the military and the
political leadership?
Let me take the first.
The military which has
ruled Pakistan for nearly
45 years since its creation
in August 1947, has
come to have a vested
interest in power. Apart
from this, there may
be a belief in the military
that a country seeped
in feudal, religious
and hierarchical postures
has to have a strong
hand to run it. The
thinking may also have
arisen because of the
fear that a political
Pakistan cannot take
on a powerful India
which is reluctant to
give Pakistan its ‘due’.
If
the first argument is
followed logically,
the military’s
input in any negotiations
between India and Pakistan
becomes important. Then
it appears that the
Kargil adventure followed
the military’s
perception that Kashmir
was being ‘sorted
out over its head’.
In other words, the
formula reportedly anvilled
at Delhi and Islamabad
was not acceptable to
it because it was not
a party. It has a clear
message: the military’s
involvement (and approval)
is necessary for any
settlement between the
two countries. General
Zia-ul-Haq would often
tell me that India should
have a settlement with
the military in Pakistan.
‘You will have
problems when a democratic
government takes over’.
Nawaz Sharif warned
me at Jeddha that ‘we
will not accept the
solution of Kashmir
which India reaches
with the military-guided
government at Islamabad’.
How to reconcile the
military’s wishes
with the aspirations
of political parties
is a big challenge before
New Delhi. Both count.
The two top political
leaders, Benazir Bhutto
and Nawaz Sharif with
whom I have had talks
on the subject do not
recognise the government
headed by Prime Minister
Jamali nor do they accept
President Musharraf
who wields all the power
in Pakistan, directly
or indirectly. Both
Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz
Sharif may denounce
any agreement that New
Delhi reaches with the
present set up at Islamabad.
But
the military’s
stamp of approval is
equally important. The
second point is whether
the Kargil operation
was the result of understanding
between the military
and the political leadership.
Nawaz Sharif denies
this, while General
Musharraf says, ‘everyone
was on board’.
This scenario is somewhat
similar to the one in
1965. At that time also,
the Pakistan army infiltrated
into Kashmir with the
connivance of Zulfiqar
Ali Bhutto, then foreign
minister. President
Ayub Khan told me that
he had no idea of the
infiltration and came
to know about it when
the fat was on the fire.
In fact, he described
the 1965 war as ‘Bhutto’s
war’. In the same
way, Nawaz Sharif puts
the blame of Kargil
on President Musharraf.
Presuming both Ayub
and Nawaz Sharif knew
only a bit about the
army’s intentions,
the fact remains that
both went along and
raised no voice until
Pakistan began to lose.
My contention is that
if collusion between
military and political
leaders can take place
for a misadventure,
it is not difficult
to imagine a consensus
for peace between New
Delhi and Islamabad.
However much I may dislike
the National Security
Council (NSC), which
has institutionalised
military rule in Pakistan,
it places some system
in position. The National
Security Council will
increasingly play a
role in the Indo-Pak
affairs. The set up
may not be a hundred
percent democratic but
it has the trappings
of it. After taking
over, the army has seldom
gone back to the barracks
in a third world country.
How do we proceed on
relations between India
and Pakistan, without
accepting the reality
of the entrenchment
by the armed forces?
The episode of Shahbaz
Sharif -- he was forcibly
deported back to Saudi
Arabia after trying
to return to Pakistan
in May 2004 -- shows
the helplessness of
political forces in
Pakistan. Whether the
conditions should be
normalised first to
solve Kashmir or whether
Kashmir should be solved
first to normalise relations
is an unending debate.
It is no use entering
into it because nothing
will come out of the
exercise. But one thing
which India has realised
over the years is that
Kashmir has to be tackled
for any meaningful relationship
with Pakistan. Kashmir
cannot be wished away.
How do we solve Kashmir?
Nawaz Sharif once made
a realistic statement:
Only after meeting Prime
Minister Inder Gujral
at Male did he realise
that India could not
present Pakistan Kashmir
on a platter, nor could
Pakistan take it from
India by force. New
Delhi cannot accept
the solutions floating
around because of their
adverse fallout on the
country. The one-which
Islamabad is promoting,
is the division of Jammu
and Kashmir, the valley
going to Pakistan as
an ‘unfinished
agenda of Partition’
and the rest to the
Hindu-majority India.
The argument is that
the Muslim-majority
valley should have gone
to Pakistan in the first
instance -- at the time
of partition, based
on religion. When I
was in Pakistan with
Vajpayee, Shahbaz Sharif
-- then the Punjab Chief
Minister -- invited
Prakash Singh Badal,
then the East Punjab
Chief Minister, for
breakfast. Shahbaz Sharif
proposed to Badal that
Kashmir could be settled
if India handed over
Pakistan the Muslim
majority valley. Badal
did not respond. The
matter would have rested
at that but I intervened.
‘You can have
the entire Jammu and
Kashmir’, I told
Shahbaz Sharif, ‘But
this time the criterion
for division will not
be religion’.
We did not want to re-open
partition. One million
people died and 20 million
were uprooted at that
time. If Jammu and Kashmir
were to be divided on
the basis of religion,
the Hindutva forces
in India would exploit
the situation and try
to destroy the ethos
of secularism. Shahbaz
Shah did not say anything
in reply.
Suppose
both parts of Kashmir
are united and given
independence. New Delhi
will never agree to
it; the Hindutva elements
will go to town saying:
If after 55 years, the
4 to 5 million Muslims
in the Valley have not
accepted India, there
is no reason why the
120 million Muslims
in the rest of the country
should be trusted. The
very pluralistic and
democratic ethos of
India would be endangered.
Islamabad has often
talked about involving
a third party, particularly
the U.S. My impression
is that after what has
happened in Iraq such
a line of thinking in
Pakistan has died down.
I got an inkling of
that at Brussels recently.
The European Parliament
had arranged a discourse
on Kashmir. The resolution
concluded that the European
Union be associated
with the talks between
India and Pakistan.
I opposed the resolution.
My argument was that
Kashmir was a bilateral
issue and it was for
India and Pakistan to
settle it with the help
of representatives from
Jammu and Kashmir. Present
at the discourse were
the Kashmiri expatriate
and persons like Sardar
Qayyum, former President
of Azad Kashmir, and
former Foreign Minister
Gohar Ayub. They came
around to my viewpoint
that the west had destroyed
whatever the people
of Iraq had represented.
How could they repose
their trust in Europe?
However, it appears
that some in Pakistan,
particularly in the
military establishment,
still look towards the
west, particularly the
U.S., for the solution
of Kashmir problem.
The treatment will be
worse than the disease.
For
any settlement, the
two countries have to
look within, not without.
Can the status quo be
sold to Pakistan? I
do not think so even
if America were to put
all its pressure behind
it. But with some adjustments,
the LOC may be acceptable.
Humayun Khan, Pakistan’s
former High Commissioner
to India, has revealed
in a book that: ‘Bhutto
convincingly argued
with Indira Gandhi at
Simla that given enough
time, he would be able
to make Pakistan accept
the LoC with minor adjustments
as a permanent border.’
However, to begin with,
the Siachin Glacier
should become a no-man’s
land, a status to which
New Delhi agreed some
years ago. Zulfikar
Ali Bhutto whom I interviewed
in 1972, after the Bangladesh
war suggested that the
discussion on Kashmir
be ‘postponed
to some other time.’
‘Why should it
be incumbent on us to
solve all our problems?’
he said. He still spoke
about Kashmir, albeit
in conciliatory terms.
He told me that the
Line of Control was
‘a line of peace’,
something he did not
want the Simla Agreement
to mention because he
required time to prepare
the country. Maybe,
we can freeze the problem
for ‘sometime’
and go ahead with trade,
travel and other things
so as to come nearer
to each other. The interaction
may create an atmosphere
of goodwill which will
help us solve Kashmir
as well. For that, it
is important that the
two countries increase
people-to-people contact.
Brijesh Mishra, security
advisor to former Prime
Minister Vajpayee, agreed
with me that the different
sections of populations
from both sides should
meet.
But
the elimination of terrorism
is something basic.
After the summit between
Vajpayee and Musharraf
early this year, terrorism
has gone down considerably.
Even some training camps
have been dismantled,
although some stay at
the relocated sites.
But during the polls
in Kashmir, people were
actively stopped from
voting. Vajpayee publicly
accused Pakistan of
‘sponsoring terrorism’.
Manmohan Singh may react
more strongly because
Vajpayee had come to
live with terrorism
which lasted all his
regime for six years.
Suspicion and mistrust
which got built up over
the years because of
perfunctory contracts
tangle the problems
still further. Political
leaders and bureaucrats
on both sides have only
helped to widen the
gulf because they have
found that the more
rigid a stance they
take, the higher they
go in public esteem.
History has also been
distorted to serve this
parochial end; wars
between kings and overlords
have been understood
as wars between Hindus
and Muslims. Muslims
recall the days when
they ruled India and
Hindus see themselves
as the rightful owners
of Aryavarta (the land
of the Aryas), treating
others as intruders
or plunderers. Both
communities miss the
dominating and determining
force of economic factors
in history. Foreign
powers have also contributed
towards keeping the
two nations apart. Through
arms and economic assistance,
they have stoked fires
of enmity. Either to
preserve their ‘area
of interest’ or
to maintain what they
consider the ‘balance
of power’ in the
region, they have been
following policies aimed
at keeping the peoples
of the subcontinent
divided. But those who
are talking about going
back to square one do
not appreciate the realities
on the ground. I do
not think that the governments
or the fundamentalists
on both sides can switch
off people’s equations
so easily. They can
create difficulties
and may stall the process.
But there is no going
back from the point
we have reached in the
journey towards normalisation.
I
feel people have no
heart to return to the
posture of hostility.
There is a change in
their thinking and approach.
The atmosphere during
the recent cricket series
is only one proof --
the Pakistani players
and the visiting Indians
lived like a family
for many days, enjoying
the match in true sportsman’s
spirit and flying the
flag of each other’s
country. I recall when
I led a parliamentary
delegation to Pakistan
about 10 months ago,
there was a tumultous
welcome. Even the Jamaat-i-Islami
hosted a reception at
Karachi and said at
the meeting that Pakistan
was ready for friendly
relations with India,
notwithstanding the
unresolved problems
between the two countries.
Kashmir was mentioned
but its solution was
not made prior condition
for close contacts.
The atmosphere exuded
friendship and goodwill.
Subsequently, when I
said at a meeting that
the Pakistanis should
never feel disheartened
because they were our
blood, there was loud
sobbing from the crowd.
It looked as if people
who lived together for
centuries wanted to
live as friends while
forgetting the bitterness
of the past but asserting
their sovereignty and
separate identity. The
way in which visiting
artists, including dancers,
were welcomed shows
a new trend. I tried
to stage the Heer Ranjha
by the Sheila Bhatia
troupe during General
Zia-ul-Haq’s regime.
He was dead against
it on the ground that
Heer could not be acted
by a woman on the stage.
Islam, he said, did
not permit such a public
show. There was not
even a murmur when Uma
Sharma recently held
kathak recitals at Lahore
and Karachi. The audience
was spell-bound by her
artistic display and
applauded her to their
heart’s content.
Similarly, Ghulam Ali
from Pakistan swept
the people of Bangalore
off their feet with
his ghazals.
The
new atmosphere of understanding
is here not only because
India is doing better
economically and technologically
but also because there
is realisation in Pakistan
that they have everything
to gain from its friendship.
They want trade barriers
to go and are anxious
to sell their goods
in a big market. Some
have already established
contacts with the Indian
parties for agencies.
There is yet another
factor working in Pakistan:
the September 11th aftermath
has made America a bigger
enemy than India in
the eyes of Pakistanis.
They are convinced that
Washington has declared
a war against Islam.
The events in Iraq have
only deepened their
hatred. The greater
is the American intervention
in West Asia, the more
hostile is the reaction
in Pakistan. The action
in Waziristan in the
North Western Frontier
Province (NWFP) has
only increased the venom
against Washington.
Against all this, New
Delhi is seen less inimical.
Even otherwise, many
developments have taken
place to make the Pakistanis
feel that India is probably
a boat which they can
ride to swim across
the sea of their troubles.
With the absence of
strategic depth through
Afghanistan and with
the warming of relations
between New Delhi and
Beijing, Pakistan feels
India may well be the
opening. The feeling
of being lonely is increasingly
apparent in Pakistan.
Normal relations with
India also give Pakistan
hope of getting back
democracy one day. At
present, there is very
little movement on the
political front. On
the other hand, the
military has allowed
religious elements to
usurp the territory
which the political
parties occupied once.
The situation may have
helped the military
at one time but not
now. The fundamentalists
are increasingly seen
as an adversary. Their
attitude towards India
is full of contradictions.
They want Muslims in
India to be a force.
But they do not like
too much proximity with
New Delhi which they
believe is pro-Israel.
The military’s
predicament is how to
keep the fundamentalists
at bay till it has reached
some understanding with
India. After all, they
may come in handy if
nothing moves. Whether
Washington’s pressure
has made the two countries
to start confidence
building measures is
difficult to say.
There
is no doubt that both
sides are more realistic
than before and they
do not want the talks
to break down. There
is something positive
about the rapprochement.
New Delhi has lowered
its objection to Islamabad
becoming part of the
ASEAN regional grouping.
It looks as if the talks
on nuclear Confidence
Building Measures will
prove productive. They
may lead to an appropriate
framework for a settlement.
The feeling of kinship
needs to be spread throughout
the region. Even an
economic union of SAARC
countries falls short
of the region’s
requirements. Our aim
should be to constitute
a South Asian Union,
from Afghanistan to
Myanmar, having soft
borders, having one
currency and having
no custom or excise
barriers. Arrangements
will have to be worked
out in such a way that
India, the developed
part in the region,
does not get the advantage.
I believe that one day
the high walls that
fear and distrust have
raised on the borders
will crumble and the
people in the region,
without giving up their
separate identity, will
work together for the
common good. This may
usher in an era fruitful
beyond their dreams.
This is the faith which
I have cherished ever
since I left my home
town, Sialkot in Pakistan,
57 years ago. And this
is the straw I have
clung to in the sea
of hatred and hostility
that has for long engulfed
the region.

Kuldip Nayar is
a former Indian High
Commissioner to the
U.K., former Rajya Sabha
Member, Resident Editor
of the Statesman and
the Indian Express.
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